well i played with reaktor and decided it was far to slow and geeky to build patches quickly and usefully so i ended up buying vaz modular, a program i used to use many moons ago... i know the guy who designed it and am on a beta version that has some amazing modules including ms20 filter and giltch!

boy o boy am i loving this, it was well worth the 200squids

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