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[Cerberus]

gotta love attention drawing topic titles.

Here's the thing, I'm working on a theory why (in general) people who aren't into drum & bass much can't seem to appreciate the stuff which is nice and calm melody wise, but a little hectic drumwise.

If this subject has seen the light earlier I'm sorry did I didn't correctly used the search function.

When I tell someone I spin dnb as a hobby I usually have some music with me to let them hear what I mean. In general the response is that its hectic and illogical musicwise and that they can't figure out the drumpatterns.

In a latest discussion about the music on a dutch website I shared some youtube vids with some of my favorite tunes and going across the board from recent stuff from Calibre, Alix Perez, Zero-T to amens from Nebula, Equinox, Double O and Dub One and basicly anything in between I deem worthy.

The liquid sounds were received pretty good, they liked the melody and feel of the tunes, they could easily hear why I liked it.
The funny thing was that the harder, more upfront, in ya face tech sound did better then some calm pieces by i.e. Nebula and Equinox (Summer in Paris).
People seem to lose track with the rhythm and completely zone out the melody or pads which brings atmosphere to the tune.

A recent reallife experience was when driving to a gig, a friend of mine was with me and he's not that much into dnb but enjoys a free evening while I'm spinning and the music in general. I had the new Polska cd in my car and played it. I asked him a few tunes later what his focus was on, the drums or the melody/pads. His focus was on the drums and didn't quite followed them all the time which was distracting for him, he focussed more on the drums then everything around it.

A second reallife case was with a co-worker, I asked him to play Stranjah - G Riddem to see if he liked it or not. He's not a veteran dnb wise, but not a newbie either. Everything went fine till the drop, he totally lost track of the rest of the tunes and focused on the (again) weird drumpatterns.

So my theory is that people who are not that much into dnb are tent to listen to the 'weird' drumpatterns instead of everything thats underneath. Those who listen more often get used to the patterns and can focus more on the rest of the tune since the patterns are logical to them, they don't distract the listener and they can listen to the tune as a whole, or as it was ment to be.

I'm in no way saying that we should leave the drums out, the hectic the better (to some extent). Its just something I notice in my surroundings.

Your thoughts?

[antidote uk]

fuck em

[Cerberus]

fuck em

It is not that easily delt with. I'm not saying they won't WANT to hear the entire tune, their focus is just more on the patterns since they aren't used to them. It took me quite a while and some proper searching to enjoy the styles I like now as well, so I don't blame them.

Or are you going to tell me that the first dnb beat you heard and liked was the same as the filth you make today?

[antidote uk]

no.. but seriously.. fuck em

[TVG]

no.. but seriously.. reflecting on a topic you are passionate about and how that connects with society can lead to ideas that would not occur otherwise

[antidote uk]

perhaps.. but fuck it!

[TVG]

well, in the end yes. i agree

in regards to the topic, a lot of the dnb demos i get have the atmospherics mixed in quieter than i prefer. if you play it in your car on a loud freeway you only hear drums

[antidote uk]

so fucking what? fuck it.. innit!

[Cerberus]

Yet the car was only 1 example, everyone can listen to youtube vids to their own leisure with or without headphones on high or low volume.

The car bit was just one case and it was easy to get his opinion then.

I'm more interested in the online experience of users since I usually can't call them and ask them directly what their focus is on.

One of the biggest examples for me is Nebula - Chords Of Sorrow. I absolutely love that tune to death, but when I play it to people (on or offline) who don't listen to dnb that much, they tend to only hear the drums and focus on the drums and not the rest. The focus is there because the drumpatterns are SO strange to them.

[MetaLX]

I think most people not familiar with complex dnb simply get hit with a wall of sound, their brains simply cant process all that sound and differentiate one thing from another. It probably sounds a bit like chaos to them.

Im listening to the Polska cd right now and loving it. Even purveyors of dnb find ragga jungle beats to be a bit too much so its all relative ey.

[antidote uk]

I think most people not familiar with complex dnb simply get hit with a wall of sound, their brains simply cant process all that sound and differentiate one thing from another

That. So fuck em.

[MetaLX]

I think most people not familiar with complex dnb simply get hit with a wall of sound, their brains simply cant process all that sound and differentiate one thing from another

That. So fuck em.

some good advice there



mate u ok?

[Cerberus]

Even purveyors of dnb find ragga jungle beats to be a bit too much so its all relative ey.

But is that because thats it too hectic, or lacking a certain feel which amen tracks do have. Imo ragga jungle can be nice, but its just different to amen tunes. I don't get distracted by the patterns (which is my main point) but the lack of other things in contrast to amens is why I (at times) don't like it.

Better yet, not getting distracted by the patterns but by other things you don't like about the genre is usually the reason why you don't like it.

to put it simply, those who listen to dnb frequently don't get distracted by weird patterns and thus can judge to like or dislike a tune or even a genre by other things

[antidote uk]

.....

yea man

[Neptune]

yada yada yada. Where are the pictures of your leaking girlfriend?

[Cerberus]

yada yada yada. Where are the pictures of your leaking girlfriend?

try leaking girlfriend on google should give plenty of hits

[MetaLX]

gotta love attention drawing topic titles

i shoulda used that for my mix thread . . .








me-><-me

[Cerberus]

gotta love attention drawing topic titles

i shoulda used that for my mix thread . . .








me-><-me

spend years in the trenches of the internet (and got disappointed alot of times) before I got to know this 'trick'.

Does work though

[greenleaf504]

me-><-me

[MetaLX]

spend years in the trenches of the internet (and got disappointed alot of times) before I got to know this 'trick'.

Does work though

true dat cerberus! another nifty 'trick' is to contribute to a completely unrelated thread while surreptitiously promoting your own thread



sorry

[Cerberus]

spend years in the trenches of the internet (and got disappointed alot of times) before I got to know this 'trick'.

Does work though

true dat cerberus! another nifty 'trick' is to contribute to a completely unrelated thread while surreptitiously promoting your own thread



sorry

Wait...whut?

Same thread as far as I know

[cycom]

fuck em

to rephrase this a bit.

listening to DnB has to do a lot with

- rhythmical intelligence (in lack of a better term)
- musical listening experience
- overall intelligence



I think you should seriously take Antidote's advice in terms of not trying to convince people. Either they get it or they don't.

When I seriously got into DnB ('95) I had only heard a couple of jungle tunes before. Then bought Timeless during a London trip and was seriously disappointed about the lack of "that metallic sounding drums". It was about the combination of the sound of the amen and the rhythm.

That got me hooked right from day one. And it's something you can't "teach" to people.

Either they get it or they don't.

If you insist on schooling people, start with amen tunes.

[bprodukt]

for me it was all about beats when i got into jungle... at least for the first two or three years. amens and apaches cut up, sliced and layered for perfect madness. and bass of course, but even that was secondary.

[Wilshy]

Love playing choppy stuff loud in the car. People must think I'm driving through a load of pots & pans.

[cycom]

Love playing choppy stuff loud in the car. People must think I'm driving through a load of pots & pans.

Turned some heads yesterday, when I drove through town with my (lame family style) Renault Espace (with three childrens' seats in the back), blasting "Your Sound Rmx" at full volume with the windows down

Also put some James Blake on afterwards to prevent misconceptions of me being stuck in 96