Studio/Reaktor geeks: A question...

[Macc]

so i want to build a delay that has a subtle bitcrusher in the feedback loop, so things get fukt up as they decay away. easy in reaktor, right?





by its very nature, bitcrushing reduces dynamic range, and so by the time it has decayed four or five times, the dynamic range is pretty much off or on, no inbetween. what this means is that the delay does not fade away.

so, how do i make a delay of the sort i have mentioned? i have tried using a hard expander/gate followed by a limiter to tame the top, but it is shit. also an volume envelope follower doesn't work, cos through the tune things pile up cos they don't fade, and when you get a new sound triggering the envelope, all the bitcrushed delays from ages ago come back to


ideas, people?

[john doe]

AO knows loads of Reaktor
i dont

sorry.

[ALPHA OMEGA]

hmnnn.................?

I shall investigate......

My only prob is there are a million & 5 ensembles on my h/d & sorting them can b a bitch

Have u messed with Longflow Macc?

[Düffah]

can't you use psp-84 with the gain turned up full?

i know it's not bit crushed, but you could automate the amout of gain so it gets gradually more and more distorted. you'd have to automate the gain on every delay though.

[Macc]

hmnnn.................?

I shall investigate......

My only prob is there are a million & 5 ensembles on my h/d & sorting them can b a bitch

Have u messed with Longflow Macc?

Yeah, but it doesn't do bitcrushing, and the delay thing in V4 SMASHES it (Echomania).

LOL@ a million and 5

Send me some sampler ensembles, dude!

[john doe]

even more controller data in his cubase Duffah

[bobule]

coulndt you just put a high pass or low pass on the tails?

[john doe]

whitenoise insertion inversely controlled by the amount of decay?

or doesnt that make any sense?

[Macc]

can't you use psp-84 with the gain turned up full?

i know it's not bit crushed, but you could automate the amout of gain so it gets gradually more and more distorted. you'd have to automate the gain on every delay though.

not what i am looking for............ and you know i know about the psp84...... i have just got some tricks that will make your ears bleed....................

[Macc]

coulndt you just put a high pass or low pass on the tails?

Not a bad idea, but it won't kill the signals the way they would go if they just DIED, like they do on a standard delay (even a distorted one). Even if I automate the highpass to go up until signals disappear, the next time I want to run a sound through it I have to drop the highpass, bringing back ALL the sounds from before.


CURSE MY IMAGINATION!

[ALPHA OMEGA]

I have 1 prob.

Do ensembles made in legit copies of reaktor work in those which are............?

well,u get my drift

[john doe]

I have 1 prob.

Do ensembles made in legit copies of reaktor work in those which are............?

well,u get my drift

OMG

AO in buying legal software shocker

[Macc]

whitenoise insertion inversely controlled by the amount of decay?

or doesnt that make any sense?

Makes sense, but not the right sound. At all.

[Macc]

I have 1 prob.

Do ensembles made in legit copies of reaktor work in those which are............?

well,u get my drift

Don't be a nonce, of course they do.

Besides, I bought Reaktor.

[bobule]

ok well use a envelope to raise and lower the hipass freq

so when you hit the key it resets to a low value then gradually raises

[bobule]

oh and you wanna use the hipass on the delay tails only before the main delay out put if possible, then you get that dub style tape echo degradation going

see i would just use logic's tape delay...

[Macc]

ok well use a envelope to raise and lower the hipass freq

so when you hit the key it resets to a low value then gradually raises

DAAAAAAAGH! You are missing the point......

The signals that you passed through the delay five minutes ago (for example) are still there due to the reduction in dynamic range, highpass or no highpass..........................


But I might experiment with a filter directly after the bitcrush IN the fb loop to kill them, that
might work.............

But I doubt it.

[bobule]

they shouldnt be - if you use the hipass AT THE RIGHT POINT IN THE CHAIN.

you dont wanna filter the delay tails you wanna filter the feedback that feeds the delay tails... get me?

[Macc]

oh and you wanna use the hipass on the delay tails only before the main delay out put if possible, then you get that dub style tape echo degradation going

see i would just use logic's tape delay...

But that doesn't have bitcrush in the feedback loop. I am NOT after distortion/tape sim in the fb loop, I have 80000000000000000 delays that do that

I want it to get gradually more lofi as it goes - not the same thing at all.

With me now?

[bobule]

well just add a highpass after the bitcrusher in the feedback loop... thats why reaktors modular no?

[Macc]

they shouldnt be - if you use the hipass at the right point in the chain.

you dont wanna filter the delay tails you wanna filter the feedback that feeds the delay tails... get me?

yeah, absolutely, you know i know exactly what you are talking about. this is one i will try when i get home.

that said, i am still sceptical. even the dynamic range of the highpassed stuff will be fukt, innit.

[Phokus]

:scratch:

[ALPHA OMEGA]

I have 1 prob.

Do ensembles made in legit copies of reaktor work in those which are............?

well,u get my drift

Don't be a nonce

[bobule]

maybe... i dunno, i wonder if the ohmboys delay has anything like this built in?

[Macc]

maybe... i dunno, i wonder if the ohmboys delay has anything like this built in?