4 Hero - Creating Patterns

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Not everyone is as drum-hungry as I am. Neutral
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Don Cherry Wrote:Every human is blessed in her or his life with one love (passion), no matter how long it may last. This Absolute love will last in one's heart and soul forever.
Interesting read...........

Seem to remember reading but not participating before.

Don't know quite where that leaves me and what I do Baffled
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Don Cherry Wrote:Every human is blessed in her or his life with one love (passion), no matter how long it may last. This Absolute love will last in one's heart and soul forever.
Macc Wrote:Interesting read...........

Seem to remember reading but not participating before.

Don't know quite where that leaves me and what I do Baffled

that's different
your live drums and electronics is exploring a new live format

you're not putting in the strings and brass and shite for nothing
they've just written the music and had some musicians play it
on some terrible live muso vibe
they might just as well have played everything on keyboards
and produced a more interesting range of sounds as well
ps

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Falcon
statto Wrote:ps

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Falcon

doowot?
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Don Cherry Wrote:Every human is blessed in her or his life with one love (passion), no matter how long it may last. This Absolute love will last in one's heart and soul forever.
macc Wrote:doowot?

track with just a drummer + dego on keyboards

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Sounds nice.

Apart from the keyboards Teef
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Don Cherry Wrote:Every human is blessed in her or his life with one love (passion), no matter how long it may last. This Absolute love will last in one's heart and soul forever.
Hahaha
as an album i cant listen to it too much.. but there are some amazing songs on there. same goes for 2 pages...on the tracks they get it right, it is out of this world

also worth checking is marc macs visioneers band, on omniverse
class album for musical conneisuers (that can't be spelt right!)

Lol
'There's no such thing as selling out just buying in'

Chuck D
Crap album for people who can't spell connoisseur Teef
Statto Wrote:you're not putting in the strings and brass and shite for nothing
they've just written the music and had some musicians play it
on some terrible live muso vibe
they might just as well have played everything on keyboards
and produced a more interesting range of sounds as well

I havent had time to read the fusion con thread.......yet......

4 hero obviously had the resources to use live musicians and IMO the talent to arrange/record them all properly...but they used them most probably because they wanted to............after all their years in the music they probably felt that they wanted to be more musical and use live musicians.
They most probably wrote all the music for the musicians or maybe they didnt??? and the musicians improvised a bit????

As far as i'm concerned if u have the time and resource and skill to use live musicians then why not use them

For me the drums are also a key element on the album, yes there are lots of keyboards and instruments....but the tracks wouild not hold together without the drums......and I think the drums are played very well throughout
DJ ML Wrote:they probably felt that they wanted to be more musical and use live musicians

that's the point entirely...

using live musicians isn't more musical
it just shows an inferiority complex
Statto Wrote:
DJ ML Wrote:they probably felt that they wanted to be more musical and use live musicians

that's the point entirely...

using live musicians isn't more musical
it just shows an inferiority complex

hmm...I dont know......I dont think it shows an inferiority complex.......
using live musicians shows an inferiority complex?

why does this apply to 4hero & not Radiohead or Frank Zappa or Led Zeppelin or Roger Sanchez or Orbital,Prodigy,Goldie,Miles Davis,etc....?

It seems 2 b a truly baseless statement that "if your a musician or using live musicians you have an inferiority complex"

Is old age getting the best of Sir Statto's faculties????

Twisted
'There's no such thing as selling out just buying in'

Chuck D
DJ ML Wrote:hmm...I dont know......I dont think it shows an inferiority complex.......

I think it does
people think it's a step up to use live musicians

this is not just a dnb thing...

it's like Frank Zappa, or Holger Czukay, or Paul McCartney, doing stuff with orchestras; basically that stuff was just shite (and the orchestras they worked with thought so too)

it's the same with composers too... like Arthur Sullivan and his dreadful grand oratorios... his real musical contribution was his comic operas with Gilbert, but he felt he had to some 'proper' music

or in other fields such as writing, where a fine crime writer like Ruth Rendell tries to write deep psychological novels... and these are shite too

for some reason they think that their real work isn't worthy and they need to prove themselves as 'proper' musicians or writers or whatever
ALPHA OMEGA Wrote:using live musicians shows an inferiority complex?

why does this apply to 4hero & not Radiohead or Frank Zappa or Led Zeppelin or Roger Sanchez or Orbital,Prodigy,Goldie,Miles Davis,etc....?

because 4 Hero's natural area is sequenced music
whereas Frank Zappa, Led Zeppelin, Miles Davis, etc's natural area is live music

actually that's not true for all the others...
Orbital, Prodigy, Goldie are better when they leave the live musicians out as well

and of course Radiohead are bobbins anyway

ALPHA OMEGA Wrote:It seems 2 b a truly baseless statement that "if your a musician or using live musicians you have an inferiority complex"

for some musicians it does, yes
and even the other musicians can get silly as well, viz Zappa and his orchestral rubbish

ALPHA OMEGA Wrote:Is old age getting the best of Sir Statto's faculties????

very possibly Oops
ALPHA OMEGA Wrote:It seems 2 b a truly baseless statement that "if your a musician or using live musicians you have an inferiority complex"

He didn't say that. I agree that a lot of electronic artists feel that in order to be more "musical" (whatever the fuck that might mean. According to most drum and bass heads it means liquid crap with a house accapella and a sparkly rhodes) you have to use live musicians.

The fact is that making music electronically and scoring for live musicians are two very different skills, and when someone makes a quick transition from one to the other, the results can be terrible. As is the case here. I think people need to acknowledge that you can be "musical", regardless of whether you produce electronic music or record live instruments.
- its not a dnb record.

- i think it's a natural progression for them to use live musicians, check any of their material since the first talkin loud e.p. its quite heavy on unsequenced music.

- i think they pretty much did the whole electronic thing, drum and bass was goin shit, they were getting no respect whatsoever even the dj xyz was bigging them up but not playing their tracks or supporting their music.

- i agree that not every track is great, but tracks like hold it down and the one about not wanting to go to work and play video games are amazing! why were these tunes not in the radio1 top ten? they had wide appeal. I like 50% of the album very much, and the other 50% is good.

also, why do people have to stay confined in their natural areas?!?!? how do you know the album wasn't sequenced?

anyway...

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Lets make d+b special for 2009!
I still think it's shit

Grumble
Creating Patterns is a great album in my opinion. It's very interesting how one can sit back and just tear apart someone's hard work with such malice instead of being somewhat constructive. That's a crying shame. Marc and Dego have a great understanding and appreciation for all types of music. I think that reflects in all of their work. To say they have an inferiority complex just because they want to step outside the box and explore different sounds is beyond me. That's an absolute shit statement.
Mr. Gunns Wrote:Creating Patterns is a great album in my opinion. It's very interesting how one can sit back and just tear apart someone's hard work with such malice instead of being somewhat constructive. That's a crying shame.

there's nothing constructive I want to say about this album; usually I ignore things I don't like, but this album was so bad it made me angry

Mr. Gunns Wrote:Marc and Dego have a great understanding and appreciation for all types of music. I think that reflects in all of their work. To say they have an inferiority complex just because they want to step outside the box and explore different sounds is beyond me.

that's a lot of the point: they're not stepping outside the box to explore different sounds; they're just blanding out their sounds by having live musicians play them, and the question is "why?"

but anyway, I've gotten over this now and can get on with ignoring it... as long as people let me Wink
Well for what it is worth I agree with the miserable grumbling old curmudgeon on this one.

I heard it after not really hearing any 4Hero before, and thought 'what is all the fuss about?'. Didn't bother going back...
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Don Cherry Wrote:Every human is blessed in her or his life with one love (passion), no matter how long it may last. This Absolute love will last in one's heart and soul forever.
Statto Wrote:
DJ ML Wrote:hmm...I dont know......I dont think it shows an inferiority complex.......

I think it does
people think it's a step up to use live musicians

for some reason they think that their real work isn't worthy and they need to prove themselves as 'proper' musicians or writers or whatever

Well I still dont think it shows an inferiority complex in using live musicians , I dont agree with that at all....

I think it was/is just a development of their sound and they wanted to try something different on that album and use live musicians
DJ ML Wrote:Well I still dont think it shows an inferiority complex in using live musicians , I dont agree with that at all....

I think it was/is just a development of their sound and they wanted to try something different on that album and use live musicians

ok so Kisskiss

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