Something tangible for the Street-team :: ATM article ::

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beebe Wrote:maybe we can get a discussion goin as to when/where the left field all started, but for me paradox was always on that tip. the thing that really got my attention was the equinox inperspective knowledge mix.

by this i meant the resugence of the sound Wink


beebe Wrote:when i talk to others that are not into "our" music they always refer to "my" style as drumfunk. now this is in the u.s. of course. it seems that they lump drumfunk, "edits", atmospheric, and even bassbin stuff all into the drumfunk genre. maybe we should try to come up with a genre name for all this stuff like "subversive beats" as to relate it to "our community". maybe not the best name to use but ya get my drift?

i was just throwing this out there cuz you know others will lump them into a group and call it something anyway, just thought we could come up with a name instead of others doin it for us. however, i agree lines should not be drawn to further seperate us...that's why it may be a bad idea.

but the subversive part of our community kinda makes us look as seperatist(sp?) anyhow don'tit. i mean we are doin things different from all the rest Chin

to be honest i had no idea what subvert meant when i started comin to this site. i had to look it up on the web. so, this is what i get when i use the google on the internets


definitions for subvert on the web:

-overthrow: cause the downfall of; of rulers; "the czar was overthrown"; "subvert the ruling class"

-corrupt: corrupt morally or by intemperance or sensuality; "debauch the young people with wine and women"; "socrates was accused of corrupting young men"; "do school counselors subvert young children?"; "corrupt the morals"

-sabotage: destroy property or hinder normal operations; "the resistance sabotaged railroad operations during the war"
destroy completely; "we must not let our civil liberties be subverted by the current crisis"




i actually thought subvert meant to go back to the way it was Acclaim
Wow slow on the up take on this one

Nice work Connor and Muttley

If there's anything I can do let me know.

CARBON has pushed alternative dnb for 3 years but def not
on the level of Technicality and Bassbin.

And it depends what you consider alternative too lol.

Big up
insight Wrote:wow slow on the up take on this one

nice work connor and muttley

if there's anything i can do let me know.

carbon has pushed alternative dnb for 3 years but def not
on the level of technicality and bassbin.

and it depends what you consider alternative too lol.

big up


hehe... yeah - we've been doing our thing in limerick too (though not exclusively pushing one sound) ... 7 years next february :d ... again, obviously a smaller night than technicality + bassbin but still, every little helps ! carbon is very relevant to the current pushing of this style Xyxthumbs
beebe Wrote:by this i meant the resugence of the sound Wink

all good Xyxthumbs

i think in terms of resurgence these were definite highlights for the leftfield being noticed. however they are and were also the output of projects such as this which focus on marketing and publicising a musical niche, so i think instead of resting on laurels of what has been done or writing about that the text should be slanted to the present day, or future projects moreso than the past.

Quote:but the subversive part of our community kinda makes us look as seperatist(sp?) anyhow don'tit. i mean we are doin things different from all the rest Chin

personally i don't think we [sc] are really in terms of what happens and how things are carried out. the only difference is what the music sounds like as far as i'm concerned, besides the odd brushing with elitist viewpoints.

Quote:to be honest i had no idea what subvert meant when i started comin to this site. i had to look it up on the web. so, this is what i get when i use the google on the internets

to me it simply means to pierce or circumvent tradition, or to be less wanky with semantics go against the norm. that is what sc are stereotyped as doing and promoting, but the reality business wise actually runs quite parralel to all the other labels out there, see my point above Wink
Muttley Wrote:i think in terms of resurgence these were definite highlights for the leftfield being noticed. however they are and were also the output of projects such as this which focus on marketing and publicising a musical niche, so i think instead of resting on laurels of what has been done or writing about that the text should be slanted to the present day, or future projects moreso than the past.

Right so we should not spend a lot of text in the article on the past....just a brief mention of those that contributed and carried on the sound through the years?

Quote:personally i don't think we [sc] are really in terms of what happens and how things are carried out. the only difference is what the music sounds like as far as i'm concerned, besides the odd brushing with elitist viewpoints.

Thats what I meant...the musik Wink
Beebe Wrote:Right so we should not spend a lot of text in the article on the past....just a brief mention of those that contributed and carried on the sound through the years?

well this is what i'm still contemplating. i think it's necessary to have a fair bit about that past included, but at the same time there's so much that's been going on post 2000 that i feel people should know about. it's a very possible alternative to rehashing or trying to construct a full blown written excursion into the why's and wherefors of what they can't change over what's new and accessible, and for those who stereotype, or have a semiconscious inclination that all those still into jungle are harking on about what has passed being better than the current offerings it wouldn't give a great impression if i or others were to make a text who's historical references outweigh what is being done in 2006/2007.

another reason for me thinking like this as of now is that the leftfield back then was much more popular and supported across the board [see good looking, photek on virgin etc], but nowadays it has nowhere near as large a share in terms on pr across the whole scene. we need to give all those potential readers who might have been into the aformentioned but then got jaded that key to the door in finding music they may have loved all those years ago still being produced in the modern era. or at least i think anyway Smile

Quote:Thats what I meant...the musik Wink

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Funny thing is I meet a lot of DJs that just got into DnB around 2000ish and have no idea about the older mid-nineties stuff. All they know about is liquid funk or hard aggresive techy stuff. So a bit of background could be good?
Beebe Wrote:Funny thing is I meet a lot of DJs that just got into DnB around 2000ish and have no idea about the older mid-nineties stuff. All they know about is liquid funk or hard aggresive techy stuff. So a bit of background could be good?

absolutely, we just need to find the right balance and see what can be fitted into the word count when this is actually drafted for the first time. 1900 words is deceptively small, i found that out recently with one of my own texts Hahaha
all good ideas but may i remind you guys that it won't be a book?

Code Wrote:"2 pages (1900 words)
with assorted pics"
please note: pics. that probably means more than two, high quality, pics. also even less text.

also:

Code Wrote:article should cover :

"a little lowdown on the sound

where it came from

it's revival through inp a few years ago

and where it is now"
cp_ffm Wrote:all good ideas but may i remind you guys that it won't be a book?

code Wrote:"2 pages (1900 words)
with assorted pics"
please note: pics. that probably means more than two, high quality, pics. also even less text.

also:

code Wrote:article should cover :

"a little lowdown on the sound

where it came from

it's revival through inp a few years ago

and where it is now"

i'm not forgetting any of this just so you know Xyxthumbs

all i'm doing right here is trying to get any farfetched principles or thoughts for what will be written out of my head as soon as possible, and debate how much and what will be bitesized or considered for the article. this is necessary because i lack the experience of a seasoned writer, compared to someone like naphta it's probably going to take me over three times the length to break down, continually proofread, edit and reshape the words that i have into something cohesive and pleasurable to read.

luckily he and others are willing to go over this with me, so by the end of november we should have something very suitable and concisely put together, that's all i can hope for...
alright, i don't want to discourage you or anyone else. just pointing out that not every historical, though probably relevant, fact and not everyone can be included in a two page article.
so does that mean i should miss out your new blog? :P
yes, though you didn't actually consider including it, did you? Wink
of course i did!


:mutley:
Icon_yippee gwarn!

(my contribution, feel free to print it if you like, naturally ill be wanting my 20%)
m-

please don't forget to mention the impact of philosophical influence in much of leftfield dnb music

best,
j
muttley Wrote:> address the progression from the leftfield's hardcore roots to the present day breakbeat-orientated sound.

> brief analyis of the differences, what label championed the style at x period.
reinforced
certificate 18, droppin science, partisan

muttley Wrote:> short breakdown of the techstep phenomenon and how reinforced and its presence devolved at roughly the 2000 year mark. also explain its influence along with other labels into developing the new breed.
reinforced tried to adapt itself in 2000 and kept releasing until the end of 2002, after which it seems they pretty much gave up on dnb.

muttley Wrote:> observe and interview key night owners to add a 'live' or social tinge to what is being written.
technicality, subversive renaissance, carbon

muttley Wrote:> write about subvert central as a label and meeting ground for like-minded leftfield listeners and explain all aspects of the street team.
the forum yes. the street team possibly as a collective identity. the label isn't worth a special mention.

muttley Wrote:> namedropping more well known figures ie label owners from bassbin and paradox music
offshore

but...

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cp_ffm Wrote:all good ideas but may i remind you guys that it won't be a book?

code Wrote:"2 pages (1900 words)
with assorted pics"
please note: pics. that probably means more than two, high quality, pics. also even less text.

also:

code Wrote:article should cover :

"a little lowdown on the sound

where it came from

it's revival through inp a few years ago

and where it is now"

Xyxthumbs
wow, a bit late on this, but great news Xyxthumbs

my 2 cents: forget the past. there's too much going on in the present to actually waste words on headz or reinforced. those labels stopped releasing good stuff ages ago, why worry? also it sounds like an old people's movement if one keeps refering to those roots Wink

it's obviously not possible to mention everyone who deserves a mention, so i think something like a linklist at the end of the article would be a good idea to provide information for the interested reader to explore further. of course this board needs to be mentioned, but more importantly the labels where one can actually find information about respective artists and their music (offshore, counter intelligence, subtle audio, bassbin, breakin, etc.)

1900 words are not very much. Icon_sad

but of course: big up code + muttley Xyxthumbs
cycom Wrote:my 2 cents: forget the past. there's too much going on in the present to actually waste words on headz or reinforced. those labels stopped releasing good stuff ages ago, why worry? also it sounds like an old people's movement if one keeps refering to those roots Wink


I can see why people are saying to forget the past but to my mind it's a little disingenuous to do so. Without labels such as Reinforced, Certificate 18, Droppin Science, Partisan etc this sound wouldn't be. It IS an 'old persons' ( Lol ) movement, whether we admit it in the article or not.
Okay, there has been a progression of the sound in certain ways but we still have the same ethic as they did.

It wouldn't take up to much room to lead the article with a reference to the roots of the current subversive D&B. Maybe even begin with the question "Do you miss the sound of labels like Reinforced, Cert 18, Droppin' Science and Partisan? " - or something like that... or "ever wondered what happened to labels like R, C18, DS, Part etc ?" ....... it could then be explained that the spirit of those labels still lives in the next generation of labels / artists...
good idea, code. Smile
Remember this distinction. It is very important:

1) There are labels, events, radio shows, and websites who have collectively decided to work together to cross promote each other and spread the word for the greater good of all involved.
These 'partners' are the Subvert Central Affiliates.

2) The Subvert Central Street Team is any forum member who wishes to do anything they feel they can to help promote the Subvert Central Affiliates.
Code Wrote:subversive D&B

If you can manage, through this article, to somehow tag the whole thing as such, whether explicitly or otherwise, I think that would be a very good thing for the site, and for all of the SC Affiliates.
scope Wrote:
Code Wrote:subversive D&B

If you can tag the whole thing as such, whether explicitly or otherwise, I think that would be a very good thing for the site, and for all of the SC Affiliates.

Thats why I said WE should name the whole thing instead of letting others just lump it all into where they see fit. I think whether we want it to be or not it will be seperated from all other genres.
code Wrote:it wouldn't take up to much room to lead the article with a reference to the roots of the current subversive d&b. maybe even begin with the question "do you miss the sound of labels like reinforced, cert 18, droppin' science and partisan? " - or something like that... or "ever wondered what happened to labels like r, c18, ds, part etc ?" ....... it could then be explained that the spirit of those labels still lives in the next generation of labels / artists...

yep, this sounds entirely different. good idea, indeed. of course such a text can link to those early labels (not hyperlink, that is) - but up to now it sounded as if there were being way too much thoughts spent on where the sound originated from.

btw, i'm not sure if drumfunk is a good term, because this more or less is paradox' genre and has a very special approach. for example i wouldn't coin sileni's music as drumfunk. (next level dnb morelike Xyxthumbs)

for the whole movement the term leftfield sounds most appropriate - although a bit meaningless maybe - but it covers everything from bassbin to offshore to subtle audio to counter intelligence.

subvert central should of course be mentioned as primary platform, but i think one should not go so far to actually coin the whole genre as "subversive beats" - what's exactly subversive about beats? which are and which not?
well it don't gotta be "subversive beats", but if we are trying to get exposure for the site and affliates i thought maybe using subvert in the title might do us well?


ehhhh?


Chin


just throwin shit out there for yall to shoot down Teef

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