The problem with hiphop

seems a real nothing point to make when hiphop basically originated from dj's looping sections of other peoples records while mc's rhymed over them

That was exactly my thought. Sure its nice when someone completly flips a sample rather than just looping it but soooo many of hip hop best tracks are straight loops.

Yes, but I never ever said that straight loops are a problem. Woo-Hah samples about a whole minute of the song for the cd intro and even uses the same drumkit eqed a bit and layered on top. I just found that a bit disappointing when I heard the original a couple of days ago after thinking for 15 years, that Busta Rhymes or his producer did those melodies or at last combined them with a new bassline, drumkit or whatever :P

Admittedly calling it a "problem" was a bit exaggerated

To thats not whats the `problem` with hip hop at all. The problem if there is one is all the Pop music that calls itself hip hop and gives real Hip Hop a bad name.

Well, that's probably true aswell.

apparently only you and a couple of other narrow minded people who cant understand that things and people change

please elaborate

surely you can use your superior intellect which enables you to sit up on top of that pedestal looking down at 'someone like me' to work it out

lol, fuck you too, fada.

it just drives me round the bend that i can make a perfectly valid point and get a 'ah there you go fada was bound to say it because its fada blah blah' by a few (including yourself) of the high and mighty subverts that joined up before some mythical date statto dreams up and changes every other day

Im pretty certain the LP version just takes the first few bars from the intro and a few extra bits here and there?

The CD has an intro which is the whole first half of the song. It has to. I knew every single note and chord change before I ever listened to the original Have to dig that out.

I think its only the first two or four bars - and thats actually the ODB remix:

Album version is the same as the single?

if ive misunderstood the situation... then.. i dont care youre still a big geeeeerman

[Statto]

it just drives me round the bend that i can make a perfectly valid point and get a 'ah there you go fada was bound to say it because its fada blah blah' by a few (including yourself) of the high and mighty subverts that joined up before some mythical date statto dreams up and changes every other day

You made a point and cycom teased you about it. There's no need to take it so personally and get all defensive and worked up.

it just drives me round the bend that i can make a perfectly valid point and get a 'ah there you go fada was bound to say it because its fada blah blah' by a few (including yourself) of the high and mighty subverts that joined up before some mythical date statto dreams up and changes every other day

sorry mate, that definitely wasn't intended to sound like that AT ALL.

I just found it a bit smug of you to implicate, that I have no clue where hip hop originates from. apologies if that came across rudely

that other bit about the "high and mighty subverts" - I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm not such a longterm active subvert (I joined early, but I think I didn't post here much earlier than you - and besides: who fuckin cares?)

im not getting worked up about it im simply pointing out that its annoying how i can make a valid point but because its me it somehow devalues it

but if someone else from the been signed up since year whatever makes it and it doesnt happen

Album version is the same as the single?

Now that I think about it. Maybe Busta Rhymes just put the first half of "Space" on his album directly before Woo-Hah

I know it's there (all the chord changes and everything), but there's a chance I've done Mr. Rhymes wrong and he made it more than obvious, that it's not his tune... will check that. Album is in some box in this room.

im not getting worked up about it im simply pointing out that its annoying how i can make a valid point but because its me it somehow devalues it

but if someone else from the been signed up since year whatever makes it and it doesnt happen

Well, I don't think that's true and I don't think I ever treated you differently than anybody else. And I don't think what you say isn't valid. It's just that a lot of times you have a "couldn't care less" attitude.

On a side note: although I felt slightly offended by your first post, I tried to soften my answer by putting a "teef" behind it. That has to count, hasn't it?

'and fada said it who wouldve thought' (or however you put it)

whether you realise it or not that basically translates to having some preconceived notion about me and it makes you react differently to what i say than someone else even if theyre making the same point

i mean untill this thread i cant remember the last rant i had on here, but still for one or two of you its just expected im gonna rant away because of some of my verbal diarrhea from when i first signed up to sc

its not just me either i notice it with other people whove had a little rant or whatever in the past people suddenly just think all they will ever do is start ranting again and even encourage it

bleh whatever anyway

Come on, man. I already explained my intentions, I put a teef behind it and you were the one to "talk down from a pedestal" explaining that it "seems a real nothing point to make..." etc.

Honestly didn't mean to disrespect your opinion, but of course I know that Hip Hop comes from juggling tunes on turntables. It just didn't invalidate my point or change my disappointment in Flipmode squad.

whether you realise it or not that basically translates to having some preconceived notion about me and it makes you react differently to what i say than someone else even if theyre making the same point

I can safely say, that my only preconceived notion about you is that you're a cunt But I can say that about a lot of people on here, who I like

But again, apologies. After all I'm just a bloody geeerman




@Droid: listening now to the CD, the last 56 seconds of "Abandon Ship" you can hear a record put on (needle dropping and all) and the first half of "Space" is being played. Then launches into Woo-Hah (with the much louder drums). So I guess after all it's taking the wind out of my sails a bit there (in this very case).

So what about: "Mo' Money, Mo' Problems"?

[Statto]

'and fada said it who wouldve thought' (or however you put it)

he put it like this:

(Thanks Fada, btw, who would've thought? )

which didn't mean "who would've thought you", but "who would've thought it"; i.e. a "yes, of course, obviously" – a gentle tease at the obvious truth of the point you made.

whether you realise it or not that basically translates to having some preconceived notion about me and it makes you react differently to what i say than someone else even if theyre making the same point

no, because you misinterpreted what he'd said



bare words are always problematic, always susceptible to misinterpretation.

which is why forums have moderators

ahh, now I got it. Cheers Statts, I actually had no idea that could be interpreted wrongly. That's also why I didn't get the "that things and people change" at all, either

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOaH6YU6v...age#t=302s

if i misinterpreted it then fair enough

but i still find it incredibly annoying that (my own fault because of my early conduct on sc of course and i regret that) ill always be fada the ranter

Im pretty certain the LP version just takes the first few bars from the intro and a few extra bits here and there?

The CD has an intro which is the whole first half of the song. It has to. I knew every single note and chord change before I ever listened to the original Have to dig that out.

I think its only the first two or four bars - and thats actually the ODB remix:

Album version is the same as the single?

Nah, the full album version does have about 90s-2mins of the original. Cant find the whole thing on youtube tho. Ive got the cd (for some reason).

Lovely sample.

if i misinterpreted it then fair enough

but i still find it incredibly annoying that (my own fault because of my early conduct on sc of course and i regret that) ill always be fada the ranter

to be honest, I never thought of you as a ranter. Rather as some junglist joker

stereotypes, though

Cycom's explanation makes sense. Never heard the CD. Was this on the vinyl as well? Could be I skipped it or it was on the other side of a disc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOaH6YU6v...age#t=302s

Beef on Subvert.

Well I never.

Beef on Subvert.

Well I never.

Shut up. teef

im just trying to make sc a bit more like the mighty d&b banana so you feel more at home law

If I had the talent in photshop I would re-work a gatorade label to say "Don't be Sippin on the Fadarade"

That is all.