No Radiohead?

No Radiohead?
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bobbins
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No Terminal Cheesecake?
![]() One would simply die without terminal cheesecake!
Nah just kidding.
Terminal Cheesecake, I would file them under Noise. They have previously been sent to Supernormal Fest, Oxfordshire. That's a big fun thing - like Rammel in Nottingham, Edinburgh or Glasgow - hypothetically. It means to me that I have so little post punk support for albums. Which quintessentially are before Muttsters cataloguing of Balearic, Chill and Electronic music ?
I like it. Strings & piano riffs in P.i.L revisions. Who knew?
![]() https://cleopatrarecords.bandcamp.com/al...ilt-in-dub 00:00 Albatross 06:28 Memories 11:34 Swan Lake 19:05 Poptones 28:26 Careering 34:42 Graveyard 39:12 The Suit 43:50 Socialist 48:24 Public Image (Bonus Track) 55:06 Fodderstompf (Bonus Track)
I like the jazziness in the Wobble versions.
Good stuff.
^^ The Wobble versions give a bit of life to the tunes, imo. I can do without the "Public Image" revision tho, still. the majority of the release is great & welcomed in my world. The strings in "Poptones" really compliment the feel of the tune. What the hell?? heh
Mark Stewart (The Pop Group) and Algiers Talk Post-Punk, Past, Present and Future
https://www.talkhouse.com/mark-stewart-t...nd-future/ ![]()
What did you think of the Wobble Metal Box version Statts? I assume you didn't like it? heh. I listened to the lp while working today. For the most part I still really approve. I prefer the Wobble "Poptones" version to the original now. Wobble's "Socialist" version has grown on me a bit, it is weird as hell ,sort of reminds me of something that Mike Patton would cover, or release on Ipecac? Wobble's "Socialist" sort of shows how far out Wobble is his years, and I'm sure just having fun making tunes. While listening to the lp today, I thought of the premise that perhaps if you started making music decades ago maybe influenced by various recreational substances of the time, you sort of instinctually know how to tap into that feeling again. And of course the premise of dub in general, smoked out tunes et all. I still don't like all of Wobble's "Public Image" version, but elements of it grew on me today too. Why not take the piss out of the hit right? I really like the drumming in most of the release. Once again, Wobble's "Fodderstompf" reminds me of early Faith No More, or Mike Patton pop sensibilities.. perhaps P.I.L an influence on Patton in general too? Hmm. Interesting correlations to my ears while listening. Some of the instrumentation also brings to mind the band Living Colour - jazzy rock in places. Crazy huh? The strings in "Fodderstompf" are great too, percussion hits & details I like very much.
Similarly, there's the recent Crass remixes I haven't listened to yet. Will check em out perhaps. In summary, for an early P.I.L re-interpretation, imo Wobble is on point. Wobble emphasizes the improv, experimental aspects of early P.I.L for sure. Maybe a bit more refined this far on too. ![]() (2nd May 2022, 00:04)+ToRMeNT+ Wrote: What did you think of the Wobble Metal Box version Statts? I assume you didn't like it? heh. No. The guitarist does a decent Keith Levene impression, but that's all it is. The piano and brass on various tracks are uninspired. The strings are terrible. Even Wobble's bass was better on the original. And I miss Lydon's whine. Bands are often alchemic, a coming together of musicians whose whole is much greater than the sum of their parts. In this case: Wobble, Levene and Lydon. In my experience it's quite rare for any such musicians to do anything even approaching a similar level individually. Which is a shame for them, but there it is. As for this being improv/experimental, unless pratting about counts as that, I pretty much hear the opposite, sorry. Whereas...
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Enjoyed the Perennial Divide collection earlier today. Having heard odds & ends of the material, as a collected release, I like it. You hear the siren like, noise aspects of early Meat Beat Manifesto in a couple of the tunes. The noise drone & drum machine (?) made me think of this thread... https://subvertcentral.com/forum/thread-...ight=proto
From cEvin Key's youtube channel live interviews.
Checking out the Duet Emmo release tonight as I post! ![]() https://duetemmo.bandcamp.com/album/or-s...remastered ..The one and only Graham Lewis from Wire, and more will join Mark Spybey and I live from the UK Sunday today Both of us were inspired by Wire , so its a treat to be able to meet Graham and discuss what made Wire and others as Dome (with fellow Wire member B.C. Gilbert),[1] Duet Emmo (a portmanteau of "Dome" combined with Daniel Miller, founder of "Mute" records) P'o, Kluba Cupol, Ocsid (with Jean-Louis Huhta), Where Everything Falls Out (with Kenneth Cosimo and Anna Livia Löwendahl-Atomic), He Said Omala, and Halo. His solo projects have been He Said and Hox.. Join us !.. - May 2022
all that old stuff is good – I have most of it
Wire are a bit meh since Bruce Gilbert left
Happy New Year and all that to all of the lurkers and us remnants in the trenches,
2024, SC still exists. Savor it. SC survival could be a day by day thing right? heh. Question Statto: Is Killing Joke's "Almost Red" one of the first (..or thee first) post-punk tunes that used a straight up 4/4 disco beat & proto-techno repetition structure? I listened to Killing Joke remixes all morning yesterday. Was just a thought I had. Or if there are any other tunes with 4/4 beats & proto-techno ideas from the similar area list them! Thanks in advance if any other examples come up. Cheers! "Fodderstompf" Megga mix might count as well from what I hear, given the looped noise groove crackling in the background.
tough question
here's one that came to mind – recorded in 1980/81, which isn't as old as the two above, but they'd been playing it for a long time and it's a live song rather than a disco mix: I'll try and think of some others. Happy New Year *smile*
^^ How the tunes build is very much that proto-techno feeling, once again, repetition advancing the groove. "Dirty Disco" with the guitar repetition can easily be replaced with a similar loop, synth or just ambience and once again, not far off from techno ideas.
I assume Soft Cell would have a tune or two in the realm as well. The "Frustration" demo is fun. Electro ideas there as well. "Memorabilia",
Have you watched this yet Statts?
00:00 Introduction 00:39 Swell Maps 06:51 The Raincoats 13:50 This Heat 21:09 Young Marble Giants 27:52 The Soft Boys 35:30 Fire Engines 40:49 The Sound 49:24 Conclusion Credits: The Raincoats Liner Notes by Ana de Silva, 1993, Rough Trade The Soft Boys 1976-81 Liner Notes by Bill Holdship, 1994, Rykodisc The Secret History of Rock: The Most Influential Bands You’ve Never Heard by Roni Sarig, 1998, Billboard Books Rip It Up And Start Again: Post-Punk 1978-1984 by Simon Reynolds, 2005, Faber & Faber Colossal Youth/Collected Works Liner Notes by Simon Reynolds, 2007, Domino Records Hungry Beat Liner Notes by Innes Reekie, 2007, Acute Records The Pitchfork 500 by Pitchfork Staff, 2008, Fireside How Soon Is Now?: The Madmen and Mavericks Who Made Independent Music 1975-2005 by Richard King, 2012, Faber & Faber The Raincoats 33 ⅓ by Jenn Pelly, 2017, Bloomsbury Academic “This Heat Are No Picnic” Vivien Goldstein, Sounds, Aug 1977 “Ludus, Swell Maps: The Factory, Manchester” Mick Middles, Sounds, Oct 1979 “New Raincoats Don't Let You Down” Vivien Goldstein, Melody Maker, Dec 1979 “Women in Rock: Cute, Cute, Cutesy Goodbye” Deanne Pearson, NME, Mar 1980 “Young Marble Giants: Let's Hear It For Quiet Music” Dave McCullough, Sounds, May 1980 “Big Sound Authority” Chris Roberts, NME, Apr 1985 “Robyn Hitchcock: God Walks Among Us” Bill Holdship, Creem, Mar 1986 “Adrian Borland & the Citizens” Chris Roberts, Melody Maker, Fall 1989 “The Raincoats: File under formative” Ben Thompson, Independent on Sunday, Dec 1993 “The Soft Boys 1976-81 Review” David Cavanagh, Mojo Magazine, Mar 1994 “The Soft Boys: Let's hear it for the boys” Robert Webb, The Independent, Apr 2001 “Hitchcock, Soft Boys Still Rock Hard” Diane W. Lewis, The Harvard Crimson, Apr 2001 “Whatever happened to ...? THE SOUND” Record Buyer, March 2002 “Big In Rotterdam” Paul Sutton Reeves, Record Collector, Mar 2002 “The Sound: Destiny Stops Screaming” Chris Roberts, Uncut, Apr 2002 “Swell Maps : Trip to Marineville” Jeff Terich, Treble, Dec 2004 “Swell Maps : Jane From Occupied Europe” Jeff Terich, Treble, Dec 2004 “A blaze that won't go out” David Pollock, The Independent, Jan 2005 “Fire Engines: Codex Teenage Premonition” Simon Reynolds, Uncut, Oct 2005 “Young Marble Giants: The Big And The Small” Everett True, Plan B, Feb 2006 “Young Marble Giants Interview” Alex Ogg, The Quietus, Jul 2009 “Heavy weather: the troubled career of the Raincoats” Maddy Costa, The Guardian, Nov 2009 “The Raincoats - Feature” Lois Wilson, Mojo Magazine, Nov 2009 “Classic Album: This Heat - Deceit” John S, Rock-A-Rolla, Oct/Nov 2010 “No Chips Alone: The Soft Boys Saga By Robyn Hitchcock” Robyn Hitchcock, The Quietus, Nov 2010 “We Could Go Far: The Sound” Chris Todd, Clash Magazine, May 2012 “This Heat: Head Birth In The Year Zero” Byron Coley, Rock's Backpages, Dec 2015 “Three Men in A Fridge: The Story of This Heat” Daniel Dylan Wray, Loud And Quiet, Mar 2016 “Cult heroes: the Sound – critical darlings who were crowded out by kings of angst” Dave Simpson, The Guardian, Mar 2016 “40 Years of Fairytales: A Retrospective of The Raincoats” Cynthia Schemmer, She Shreds, Jul 2017 “The Lasting Influence of The Raincoats” Andy Beta, Vulture, Nov 2017 “Vanguard: This Heat” Bruce Tantum, XLR8R, Aug 2019 “The story of Swell Maps: Solihull’s 1970s post punk pioneers” Tom Glover, Counteract, Sep 2018 “The Raincoats: Hear The Music Inside” Lois Wilson, Mojo Magazine, Sep 2019 “Auto-Invention: The Soft Boys’ Underwater Moonlight Revisited” David Bennum, The Quietus, Jun 2020 “'Fiery, chaotic and full of emotion': This Heat, the band who tried to change everything” Alexis Petridis, The Guardian, Sep 2020 “Organised Chaos: Swell Maps Interviewed” Duncan Seaman, The Quietus, May 2021 “Swell Maps” Andy Pearson, Fear and Loathing, Apr 2022 “‘It was so beautiful to be alive and free’ How a punk legend was born” Neil Cooper, The Herald, Aug 2024 (21st December 2024, 05:14)+ToRMeNT+ Wrote: Have you watched this yet Statts? No, but I will *smile* Obviously I've heard them all. Dunno what The Soft Boys and The Sound are doing in there. They're not post punk, they're indie. As for The Sound, Adrian Borland did far more interesting stuff in his side projects, Second Layer in particular. |
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