Jungle vs Drum & Bass

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Shiva Wrote:I have come to the recent conclusion there are only 3/4 real genres:

Pop
Jazz
Folk
Classical

where would you place...?

Rock
Noise
Concrête
Techno

Chin
For anyone interested in the history of genres, automatic classification of genres, etc., I'd like to recommend my colleagues' work:

http://www.music.mcgill.ca/~cmckay/paper...tation.pdf

The relevant historical and psychological basis for genres/classification can be found from the pages 87-111.
Statto Wrote:
Shiva Wrote:I have come to the recent conclusion there are only 3/4 real genres:

Pop
Jazz
Folk
Classical

where would you place...?

Rock
Noise
Concrête
Techno

Chin

Rock can be Pop or Jazz depending if it was written/arranged for mass market or artistic depth. Same for Techo.

E.G

DJ Fresh is DnB but Pop.
DgoHn - is DnB but Jazz.

I have no idea what "Noise" or "Concrete" is, but I imagine they are more Jazz then Pop.
Ralph hardcore jungle drum n bass is my favourite
Keep JUMPin ya Bastids
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Statto Wrote:
Shiva Wrote:I have come to the recent conclusion there are only 3/4 real genres:

Pop
Jazz
Folk
Classical

where would you place...


maybe there should be one more? avant guarde?
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Ornette Wrote:
Statto Wrote:
Shiva Wrote:I have come to the recent conclusion there are only 3/4 real genres:

Pop
Jazz
Folk
Classical

where would you place...


maybe there should be one more? avant guarde?

Quite possibly, but I'm still tempted to put in the area of Jazz.
Ornette Wrote:I get my information from many discussions on this and an interview of Paul Ibiza on Kool FM on B2VOS ages back. I may still have the recording hanging around somewhere.

Ok so I've found the recording in question, turns out this is actually off an old Uncle Dugs show from when he was on Kool FM

   PAUL IBIZA TALKIN ABOUT JUNGLE TECHNO.mp3

You can hear him talking about the tune and Mad P

Here was TURNER's comments on the clip:

Quote:TURNER @ B2VOS "What is Jungle Tekno?" p5, Tue Aug 15, 2006 8:25 pm

The point of posting that audio(big up uncle dugs for posting the full 57 min audio about 4 months ago)
was to make people realize that Jungle Techno did have an actual beginning,and wasnt some term that just appeared from "nowhere"in 1992/1993

A good debate though ,enjoyed it alot [Image: cool.gif][Image: cool.gif][Image: cool.gif][Image: smile.gif][Image: biggrin.gif][Image: biggrin.gif][Image: biggrin.gif][Image: biggrin.gif][Image: surprised.gif][Image: surprised.gif][Image: cool.gif]
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Had an interesting conversation this week with an industry insider who told me in terms of sales volumes, 1996 97 98 were the strongest years for drum & bass. What do you make of that?
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Ornette Wrote:Had an interesting conversation this week with an industry insider who told me in terms of sales volumes, 1996 97 98 were the strongest years for drum & bass. What do you make of that?

fits with this: http://subvertcentral.com/forum/showthre...g-patterns

Xyxthumbs
Yes but I think he was suggesting 1998 was the peak of an upwards trend
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It makes sense. 90-94, there would have been loads of anthems that sold 30,000+ and a healthy 1-3000 of normal tunes. Post '95 there was more exposure internationally, more labels, more DJ's, and a steady 1-3000 for almost anything. Then there was the Mercury prize and steady mainstream exposure.

I guess it depends what you mean by 'drum and bass' though. Wink
Would you believe that I don't have any D&B records from 1998 from memory that had crossover appeal. The only one I remember having in my vinyl collection is: Steve Alexander - Isometrics EP (Reinforced).
Dont feel bad Mick, I cant remember any D&B records from 98 that had ANY appeal!
droid Wrote:Dont feel bad Mick, I cant remember any D&B records from 98 that had ANY appeal!

ya dibbler Icon_razz
droid Wrote:Dont feel bad Mick, I cant remember any D&B records from 98 that had ANY appeal!

Hahaha
Some update to this thanks to JJ of rolldabeats Smile

The Noise Factory track does appear to date from towards the end of 1991 however may be a bit earlier than I thought with an airing on a Colin Dale Kiss FM show from 28th October 1991.

However, it seems the term 'jungle techno' was around some time before that. Apparently there are a few Top Buzz sets from April/May 1991 with Mad P using the phrase, including one where he states:
"and it happens to be jungle techno for those in the know"

So, i'm wondering if the Paul Ibiza comments above were for an earlier Ibiza Records release?
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BUMP Cool  

Ha ha.


An early reference to drum & bass within the music I've found, from 1992
"Drum + Bass Programme"
http://www.discogs.com/Sub-Love-One-By-O...se/1099650
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(6th February 2016, 01:04)droid Wrote: Wave

Wave
(2nd February 2016, 12:02)Ornette Wrote: BUMP Cool  

Ha ha.


An early reference to drum & bass within the music I've found, from 1992
"Drum + Bass Programme"
http://www.discogs.com/Sub-Love-One-By-O...se/1099650

quality tune that one.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhmvyKV33qE  Both sides are great.
beats are there to be broken http://musicindevon.org/
(6th February 2016, 01:04)droid Wrote: Wave

Wave Smile
Allright I have only read the last two pages so forgive me when the following has already been mentioned, but a very early refenrence to "Drum n Bass" can be found in The Invisible Man's track "The Beginning", who sampled (I think) Mad Professor saying "Strictly Drum and Bass". Record got released in Summer of 1993. Anyways, good opportunity to post this superb track:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERjGcebD3pc
Music critic for the Tally Ho
i mean...

its the clothes innit?

Jungle is like... (random "junglist" image search result  lol)

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dnb is like..   no? 


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^^ Both of those are too well lit. Can't see the clothes in a the dingy back room of an empty pub thats been rented out Wink

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